Building Success, Community & Culture with Brendan McKee of Silver Therapeutics

In this special 50th episode of Roots to Risk, hosts Eric Schneider and Isaac Bock sit down with Brendan McKee, Co-Founder and COO/CFO of Silver Therapeutics. Brendan shares his inspiring journey from his early days in finance and MMA to becoming a key player in the cannabis industry. 

He offers valuable insights into team building, community engagement, and thoughtful expansion as a multi-state operator in the Northeast. Learn how Silver Therapeutics has achieved an over 90% retention rate, prioritized customer service, and thrived in the rapidly evolving cannabis market. 

This episode is packed with actionable lessons on leadership, business growth, and fostering a culture of care. Tune in for an in-depth conversation about the future of cannabis and how to create lasting success, both in business and life.

Bonus: Hear Brendan’s walk-out song from his MMA days and how his fighting spirit has shaped his entrepreneurial journey!

00:00 Eric Schneider:

This is the Roots to Risk Podcast hosted by Eric Schneider, alongside Isaac Bach. Roots To Risk brings you insights, the latest stories, and long form discussions about the cannabis industry. You’ll hear interviews with industry leaders and their perspective on current and future trends, how they’ve built success and what challenges they have faced. Our goal is to facilitate candid conversations and provide informative content for the cannabis community at large. Let’s go. What’s going on, Isaac? How we doing today? How we feeling?

 

00:31 Eric Schneider:

Big dog.

 

00:32 Isaac Bock:

I’m exhausted. Got a little puppy running around, keeping me up, <laugh> using the bathroom all over my apartment. So I’ve had, I, I felt better to be honest, but excited to do this. This’ll be a nice reprieve from dealing with that.

 

00:45 Eric Schneider:

Yeah. Hopefully it give you a little jolt, you know, little energy.

 

00:49 Isaac Bock:

Exactly.

 

00:50 Eric Schneider:

But we got a great one on deck. I know. You know, we’ve, we’ve spoken to Silver Therapeutics in the past, and I’m really excited to bring Brendan McKee, who’s one of the co-founders and CFO and COO of Silver Therapeutics, which is one of New England’s premier cannabis curators and, and multi-state operator. They’re Brendan’s an advocate, consumer, and advocate of cannabis for over 20 years. Brendan entered the legal cannabis market in 2017 with a vertical medical license and transitioned to adult use in 2019.

 

01:26 Eric Schneider:

He’s opened and operated one of the first adult dispensaries in Massachusetts and has since opened Silver Therapeutics Dispensary, locations across Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, and New York. Really excited for this one. You know, Brendan have bumped into him a bunch at conferences and events. Just a, a great guy and really an ambassador of the plant and of the industry. So excited to hear, you know, his foundation, how he got into the industry, as well as how he’s built Silver Therapeutics and, you know, the continued success that they’ve had.

 

02:01 Isaac Bock:

Yeah, no, absolutely. I think they’ll, he’ll be able to provide some great insight. Looking forward to learning more about his story and what they’re building at Silver Therapeutics and have RA built.

 

02:13 Eric Schneider:

Absolutely. Well, let’s bring ’em in. Hey, Brendan, how are we doing today? Thanks for joining us on the Roots to Risk podcast.

 

02:20 Brendan McKee:

I’m great, man. I, you know, thank you for having me and, and always, always grateful for the opportunity to, to share some more stories in, in this wonderful cannabis industry.

 

02:32 Eric Schneider:

100%. And we’re excited to, you know, I know that we’ve connected previously and, and have some background on Silver Therapeutics, but for, for those of you that may not know, they’re a tremendous operator, multi-state operator in, in the Northeast, but Brendan would love for you to take it from here and, and kind of give the background on your story as well as what you guys have built at Silver Therapeutics.

 

02:59 Brendan McKee:

Yeah, I, I, I mean, I could talk all day. I’ve had an interesting path, but I’ll, I’ll keep it brief. You know, I’m, I’m from just south of Boston, not Southy, but not too far away from Southy, a little coastal town. Grew up in a family business. It was a moving and storage company, so, you know, I, I was working on trucks and everyone was telling me to stay in school, and good thing I listened. So <laugh> ended up, you know, playing football at Amherst College, a little D three school, had a good career, was kind of like a, a big fish in a small pond.

 

03:41 Brendan McKee:

So got, was able to get an agent and then played professionally over in Europe, came back, spent time in finance, just wasn’t really feeling it. So I got into submission grappling and Juujitsu and MMA, which ultimately benefited several nonprofits in the Boston area, so it was called Office to Octagon.

 

04:07 Brendan McKee:

So I basically got, you know, corporate professionals to fight in the octagon, including myself. And then, you know, kind of, that was my, you know, kind of my gateway into entrepreneurship. And fast forward to 2017, I was introduced to, to Josh Silver, my business partner and co-founder. And yeah, man, I mean it’s, we got one of the early medical licenses in Massachusetts, eventually applied for what was called priority access, and then opened, I, I believe it was the 10th or 11th adult use store on the east coast in the beautiful little town of Williamstown.

 

04:54 Brendan McKee:

And since then, gosh, we’ve opened close to a dozen facilities between retails and cultivations and product manufacturing spaces. So it’s been a really awesome journey, a really challenging journey. But yeah, I wouldn’t change it. It’s just, it’s just been awesome and you just meet incredible people like you all along the way. So that’s, I guess I’ll stop there and I can obviously dig in, you know, wherever you’d like.

 

05:26 Isaac Bock:

No, that’s incredible. I mean, you’ve had such, like a interesting journey. What kind of are the, the biggest lessons you’ve taken from a variety of things? Eric and I are both also former athletes, so we see how, you know, athletics and the, the team responsibilities fall into the, the corporate world. But what have you taken and brought into the cannabis space that’s helped you guys grow where you are?

 

05:50 Brendan McKee:

Yeah, I mean, team teamwork makes the dream work, right? Like you, you know, you just, you gotta be on the same page as your, as your partners, as your colleagues. We’ve been so fortunate, something like, I mean, year over year we, we average above 90% retention rate. And you know, we have people that started with us in Williamstown, still with us. And like one in particular person, Ellie, I mean, she’s gone from Williamstown to Orange, to Burwick, Maine, to Portland, Maine, to South Portland, Maine.

 

06:28 Brendan McKee:

I mean, and so we literally have people that have been with us for, for the whole, the whole run. A lot of them have been with us for the whole run. And I think that that speaks to the teamwork we have, I think the, the compassion we have for each other and our customers, and we just care, you know, and, and, you know, not for nothing. Like monetarily we take care of our people, right? You can’t, you know, you can be, you can hug and, and, and kumbaya all you want, but if you’re not, you know, if you’re not paying people what they deserve, you know, they’re gonna, they’re gonna move on.

 

07:07 Brendan McKee:

So I think we’ve done a really good job of, of putting kind of the whole package together to build a really positive culture.

 

07:18 Eric Schneider:

Yeah. And, and, and just to piggyback off that too, you know, I know one of the things that, that you guys really stress is that, that customer interface, that customer service and, and creating an environment where people want to keep coming back, right? And creating a, a community. What are, what are some things that you guys, you know, focus on and, and how do you have the culture and, and ideals that you want to instill? Like how, how do you get that to drop down all the way through to the bud tenders that are at the front lines?

 

07:53 Eric Schneider:

Really the ones that are, you know, truthfully, the, the make it or break its right with, with customers and making sure that customer experiences is a positive one.

 

08:04 Brendan McKee:

Yeah, I, I mean, they’re, they’re everything. You know, and I, I’ve said this before, I mean, our, our bud tenderers really drive the ship, and we pay them really well. Our customers tip them really well. You know, we, we believe in tipping. I, I, you know, I think, I think if someone’s willing to leave a tip, you should, you should let them, I, it’s amazing to me how many dispensers I visit that don’t allow tipping. I’m like, I just don’t get it. But, you know, we’ve just, we, we all came together through family, and I, I know there’s this thing, you know, you see it on LinkedIn, like, your work, your work is in your family.

 

08:45 Brendan McKee:

And like, that’s fine. Like, I, I agree with that to an extent, but I do think that you should care about one another and you should be empathetic towards one another.

 

08:55 Brendan McKee:

And ’cause at the end of the day, how we treat our people is gonna be a direct representation of how they treat our customers. And so this layer, these layers of compassion and caring and communicating and also being involved, you know, like we’re very involved in every single community we operate in. We’re constantly doing, you know, food drives, clothing drives, sponsoring local local events. I mean, I have, it’s unfortunate because I have, like, every week I feel like I get a, like a youth sports reach out, and I’m like, I’m so sorry.

 

09:35 Brendan McKee:

Like, I’m I’ll of course donate to you as an individual. But unfortunately, like, because we’re like a 21 plus business, like we can’t, we can’t be affiliated, but it’s so beautiful that, that these groups like approach us, you know, like they want us to sponsor youth football, you know, we’re talking about kids that are like 10 years old.

 

09:56 Brendan McKee:

You know, that’s, that’s the kind of like environment we’ve created for the people we serve, that they’re that comfortable with our organization, a cannabis organization that they want us to sponsor, you know, youth events. Of course, again, we would never do that. It’s not compliant. But, you know, that’s just one very small example of like, I think how we’ve positioned ourselves and immersed ourselves within, within communities and, you know, and again, the bud tenders, they all, I mean, they all live within 5, 10, 20 minutes of the stores, right?

 

10:28 Brendan McKee:

So they have their little pockets in their little communities, and they’re talking to their friends about where they work and why they love it and why they should visit. So listen, it’s not all rainbows and sunshine all the time, you know, there’s always, there’s always issues. But I think we do a really wonderful job addressing those issues and, and, you know, just creating a really, a really great environment for folks.

 

10:52 Isaac Bock:

No, that’s awesome. And I mean, the, the point about community is extremely important and interesting for you guys in particular because you do have a multi-state reach. So how do you go about continuing that culture, you know, from market to market and kind of meeting the specific needs a market might have versus, you know, I’m guessing your, your clients in Massachusetts might have a slightly different taste than the ones in Vermont and versus Maine. So do you rely on the bud tenders on for advice on that, or how do you guys go about maintaining the culture across the board and satisfying those unique tastes and needs?

 

11:30 Brendan McKee:

Yeah, we, great question. I mean, we, to the extent that it makes sense, right? We try to include as many people as possible to help us identify, you know, the groups and initiatives that, that we get involved with. I think 1, 1, 1 group that kind of exists everywhere, you know, just chambers of commerce, they are wonderful. I mean, they, they’ll just straight up tell you like, Hey, we would love for you to get involved over here.

 

12:01 Brendan McKee:

Oh, you gotta talk to this person, or you gotta talk to this group. It just, you know, just as an example, that’s, that’s exactly what happened in Saratoga recently, you know, they were just so wonderful. They were like, we wanna do a ribbon cutting here, you know, what are some of, what are some dates? And literally this past Friday, we had a just such a, I, I, unfortunately I couldn’t be there, but just a beautiful ribbon cutting with the chamber and all these brands that came out, you know, and, you know, food trucks and live music.

 

12:35 Brendan McKee:

And it was like, it was so beautiful. We served like hundreds and hundreds of people, had our best day ever in sales, you know, and, and i, I just, and we’re like two weeks in, you know, two and a half weeks in to operating there. I mean, it was like, it was just so cool, so special. It’s also a woman owned business, so Josh Silver’s sister is the holder there, and she’s actually a, a holistic medical practitioner out of, out of New York, and she believes in, in plant medicine.

 

13:08 Brendan McKee:

So, you know, to be a woman-owned business and be the first one open in Saratoga Springs and just have that much support right out of the gate was like incredible. And, and you know, you may not remember this, I’m sure you do, but early on as being one of the first, you know, you’re kind of going into these municipalities and there’s pitchforks there, you know, they’re like, we don’t want you. And that’s obviously changed significantly, you know, that that really isn’t the case anymore.

 

13:41 Brendan McKee:

Or at least you’d like to think not. But yeah, you gotta, you gotta connect with the chambers. You gotta, I mean, we, every time we, every time we go into a municipality, into a town, we typically connect with the chief of police, the chief of the fire department, the town manager, the select board. I mean, it’s, we just ask them, Hey, what, how can we be positive members of this community? It’s, it’s much easier to do that than try to try to figure it out yourself.

 

14:12 Brendan McKee:

So that’s, those are, those are kind of, I guess two, two high level ways that we do our best to, to, you know, get into the communities.

 

14:24 Eric Schneider:

Yeah. And Brendan, I know, I know you guys are primarily as, as of, you know, in, in recent history focused on the Northeast specifically, is there a strategy around that? I know that you’re obviously from Boston, but you know, and, and also like when you’re identifying, you know, a new market, whether it be a state or a city, what are some things that you guys are looking for and, and what are some maybe some key key indicators or demographics that you guys are looking for when, you know, expanding?

 

14:55 Eric Schneider:

And I know you mentioned that you have 12 facilities, right? I’m assuming that there’s additional expansion on the horizon, so just trying to understand your guys’ thought process behind expansion and some of the things that you’re looking for and the reasoning behind, you know, the Northeast focus.

 

15:15 Brendan McKee:

Yeah, I mean, above all else, like, you know, I’m from Mass Massachusetts, Josh Silver’s from New York, lives in Saratoga Springs, and our third partner, Josh Fronto, lives in Portland, Maine, right? And he was a, he’s been a medical caregiver there for over a decade. So just by virtue of, of where we’re from, where we live, proximity, you know, that was, you know, Massachusetts of course being the first to, to kind of play ball, all those reasons, you know, had us really go deep into New England.

 

15:52 Brendan McKee:

We’re now, you know, we, we, you know, we want to hit Maine even harder, you know, like in terms of getting more retails there, there’s no cap. There’s plenty of towns that I think with enough gentle pushing could, could flip, you know, could go from being a no town to a yes town. So we’re, we’re looking into that, you know, Massachusetts is, is looking to potentially up its cap from, from three to six, which if that happens, of course we would love to again, have more market share in Massachusetts and, you know, spread ourselves out in, in, in that particular market, you know, New York, it just really, yeah, it just worked out well for us with, with the Saratoga location.

 

16:39 Brendan McKee:

We’re also currently working on a Brooklyn location, and we have two other locations that, that we’ve fortunately been able to identify. So, and then of course, Bennington, Vermont, you know, that was very strategic, you know, it’s about 20, 25 minutes north of Williamstown. We knew when, when Vermont and New York eventually legalized, we wanted to continue to, to own our backyard, so to speak. And, you know, open in the communities that were, are, are already familiar with us.

 

17:10 Brendan McKee:

It’s just a much easier sell, right? Like when you have a trusted brand, like, like us being able to open in those, in those places that you were already serving just is, is is easier.

 

17:23 Brendan McKee:

We’re, you know, in terms of like, you know, what do we look for? Like, kind of what sort of like site criteria. Certainly love, you know, limited licensed states and municipalities, you know, anytime you can go into a location with limited competition is ideal. You know, we are looking Connecticut, we are looking in New Jersey, we just haven’t been able to, to pin anything down yet. But, you know, actively looking there. I think because we’re a reputable group and you know, we pay our bills, you know, we <laugh> like we just do all the right things that you should do, you know, we are looking at, at states that are coming online that have like merit-based applications, because I think we got it.

 

18:16 Brendan McKee:

We, we score really well on those types of applications. So yeah, I know, I, I mean, I could go very in depth on, on, you know, kind of where we expand, how we expand, but I feel like I probably did okay. Covering the high level stuff there.

 

18:34 Isaac Bock:

No, for sure. And I mean, I think that kind of addressed a little bit of what I wanted to ask, but what do you guys see coming down the pipeline in Q4 of 2024 and 2025, not only for, you know, silver Therapeutics, but you know, the campus industry as a whole, obviously in election year, so might have some legislative changes, but what are you, what are you seeing and thinking this gonna happen in the next, you know, 18 months or so? <laugh>,

 

19:03 Brendan McKee:

Who knows? I mean, I, I mean, you know, everyone’s talking about two 80 e you know, what does it look like with it? What does it look like without it, you know, ESOPs are, are, are the big thing now too, which, which we’re looking at. Of course, the election, you know, would certainly impact our industry and kind of all the publicly traded companies, you know, kind of relative to how, how things unfold. And this is my thing, like of course I think about those things and it’s my job to think about those things and worry about those things and anticipate those things.

 

19:41 Brendan McKee:

That said, I’m so hyper-focused on our brand and, and our company and creating the best place to work and thrive and creating the best place to buy cannabis. You know, I, I just, I’m so fo we are so focused on building the best company that we possibly can so that regardless of what happens, right?

 

20:08 Brendan McKee:

Like all these things we can’t control that ultimately might have an impact on us. I just want us to be so good that it doesn’t matter, you know? But yeah, I, I’m thinking about it. I, I, you know, who know, you know, <laugh>, it’s just, we’re in wild times. And so, again, not to be redundant, I just, I’m so focused on the things we can control, and part of that is just being an awesome company, you know, with, with great people delivering a great service.

 

20:42 Brendan McKee:

So that’s, that’s, I, I, I don’t, that might not be the answer you were looking for. No, that’s, but that’s kind of how I’m looking at it. That’s

 

20:48 Isaac Bock:

Perfectly a perfect answer because the, you take care of those small things, the big things tend to take care of themselves. So No, I, I thought that was perfect and kind of meets your guys company values.

 

21:00 Brendan McKee:

I appreciate that.

 

21:02 Eric Schneider:

Yeah. And, and I, you know, I, even with us, right, like an ancillary provider in the space, we, you know, we continue to say it, it’s like you can only focus on what you can control. And, and as long as you just continue to deliver service, have satisfied customers, everything kind of takes care of itself. And, you know, I think what’s really interesting is that you guys have had a lot of success in, in different states and are looking to expand, but you’re not getting ahead of your skis. You know what I mean?

 

21:33 Eric Schneider:

I, I feel like we’ve seen a lot of operators that try to do it very quickly and can make some rash decisions that, you know, one poor decision can have a, a domino effect on everything else. And I, I really like your guys’ approach and, and having a, a culture first mentality, community first mentality. And when the opportunity’s right, let’s execute. But if it’s not, you know, and, and if it’s not for our brand, let’s, let’s hold off for the time being. I think that, you know, the, you need the gas, but you also need the restraint, right?

 

22:09 Brendan McKee:

Totally. So well said. And, and it’s funny, I, I was in a meeting a couple weeks ago with a group that, you know, has assets that are available, and this particular person was, was representing that group, and we had talked several times and, you know, I was really evaluating is would this be the right move for us? And he summed it up so perfectly, we’re wrapping up the call and he said, Brendan, you know what, it sounds like, it sounds like these assets are nice to have assets, not must have assets.

 

22:45 Brendan McKee:

And I was like, dude, you just nailed it. Like we, we are focused on must have assets and, and ones that we believe we can launch effectively and profitably, you know, and, and not think that we can take something on and fix it. I’ve seen so many groups kind of, you know, inherit issues and thinking like, we’re, we’re the best. We’ll be able to take these on and turn them around, and it just doesn’t happen.

 

23:18 Brendan McKee:

It’s so challenging to take on, you know, kind of someone else’s problems and, and, and think that you’re so good that you can fix it all. It’s, it’s just, it’s, it’s way deeper than that. So yeah, we’ve been, we say a lot more nos than yeses and I think that’s really benefited us.

 

23:39 Isaac Bock:

It’s a great position to be in, to be able to say no there the wrong opportunities rather than having to foursome.

 

23:46 Brendan McKee:

Totally. Totally.

 

23:48 Eric Schneider:

And no, Brendan, this has been awesome and, and really appreciate you, you jumping on here Before we hop off my, my associate Isaac’s gonna ask you some, just some fun light questions to, to wrap things up and no, we really appreciate everything that, that you’ve shared on here and there’s, there’s a lot to be gained from the conversation. I think, you know, listen, like a lot of times when we have these podcasts, it’s, it’s, you know, similar commentary, but I think every little one that we have, there are a few great gold nuggets that just people can take away and definitely felt like that was the case today.

 

24:29 Eric Schneider:

So really appreciate it.

 

24:33 Brendan McKee:

Hey, I love Nugs, so I’m glad I could give them <laugh>.

 

24:36 Isaac Bock:

That’s awesome. Well, I get, I get to ask this first question a little bit differently. So when you’re getting ready for the step into the octagon, what was the Go-to song right before you walked out?

 

24:49 Brendan McKee:

Oh, it was M 83, Steve McQueen, I think. I love that. It was, yeah, man, it was love that, that was fucking crazy. <laugh> <laugh>, that was, yeah, that was, I’ll send you guys a picture. It was, it was wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was my walkout song. Yep. That’s

 

25:13 Isaac Bock:

That’s incredible. Yeah. Gotta get yourself in the right mindset before, you know, taking some elbows, knees, feet, whatever else they can throw at you.

 

25:23 Brendan McKee:

Totally. My and <laugh> wasn’t probably the best idea, but my first fight was against the eventual New England heavyweight champion, so unfortunately lost in the second round. But you know, I, I think anyone who’s willing to put themselves out there like that, you know, as hard as the loss is you, you do kind of walk out a winner, you know, you may not realize it in the moment and it hurts. Your ego hurts, everything hurts physically, mentally, but I just feel like I can do anything now.

 

25:54 Brendan McKee:

You know, if you can withstand getting punched in the face and, and getting beat up in front of thousands of people, you know, you got nothing to lose.

 

26:02 Isaac Bock:

Yeah. I think combat sports usually,

 

26:04 Eric Schneider:

Usually the people that chirp would never get in the ring, so don’t worry about it

 

26:08 Brendan McKee:

<laugh>. Exactly. Bird

 

26:11 Eric Schneider:

Chirp. It’s

 

26:11 Brendan McKee:

Easy, it’s easy to have behind the

 

26:13 Eric Schneider:

Keyboard chair fly <laugh>, there’s no doubt. Yep. There’s

 

26:17 Brendan McKee:

No doubt. Exactly. Exactly.

 

26:20 Isaac Bock:

Awesome. You know, obviously you’ve had a lot of experiences in your career in all sorts of industries, but is there a book or kind of a, a lesson that you’ve held onto turn back to from time to time that you’re pulling good information on to help you continue to push forward that you would recommend people look into?

 

26:42 Brendan McKee:

I’m in the middle of reading Outlive by, I think it’s Peter Atia, that’s been pretty cool. Just like a, like a general wellness book I got into fighting because of Sam Sheridan’s books, A Fighter’s Heart, and then a Fighter’s Mind. Those were, those were really, really awesome reads. Honestly, what I always go back to is my moving days. Like I just, you just have to keep going forward.

 

27:15 Brendan McKee:

Like, it doesn’t matter how much it sucks, like you gotta get the job done, you can’t just walk off a job site. Like, I just don’t operate that way. And to be honest, I just hiked the Pemi loop in the White Mountains this weekend and it kicked my ass and it, I I was sucking wind man. Like, I was like, damn, I am not in good shape or not in good enough shape for this. And it was a nice reminder. It was a nice, nice piece of humble pie and you just gotta keep moving forward.

 

27:48 Brendan McKee:

Like, if, if you want to make it in this space, you, you’re gonna get hit, you’re gonna get knocked down, you’re gonna take licks. But if you love it and, and you believe in the plant and you believe like we believe it’s helping people, you’ll work. You’ll figure it out. You know, you just gotta keep moving forward.

 

28:06 Isaac Bock:

No, that’s a, a great message as my colleague coach used to tell us, embrace the suck. So that’s a, it’s a good message. You have to, you have to take, take the lumps along with the wind. So Brendan, really appreciate your time, like Eric said, I think this was a great one. Got a lot of great information outta this, so appreciate you joining us.

 

28:27 Brendan McKee:

I, I’m so grateful for you guys. Really. Thank you. And, and, and I, you know, I got to listen to a bunch of ’em before and really cool. So thank you so much for having me on and always here for you guys if you want anything else,

 

28:41 Eric Schneider:

Another great one in the books. I know I say that every time, but I, but I really do feel like we have great guests on them, you know, objectively speaking, a hundred percent. And you know, Brendan was, Brendan added just great insight and, you know, a few really, really quality pieces of information that I think, you know, people can benefit from and, you know, having that gas and the restraint at the same time I think has been key to their success and the culture that they’ve built, you know, stemming from athletics and, and building a, a team environment and just taking care of everybody, I think is really allowed them to have success and excited to see what they do in the future.

 

29:19 Isaac Bock:

No, for sure. And I think the way that he was speaking about, you know, everyone within his organization starting with the bud tenders, who at the end of the day are the face of your company and how well they take care of them at Silver Therapeutics, I think is a great lesson for anyone listening who’s earlier on in their journey or might be running into some struggles with the retention standpoint that taking care of your people always pays off. So I thought it was a, a great one as always. And yeah, we do save all the time, but I’m, I’m pretty confident they’re always great. So

 

29:52 Eric Schneider:

Love, love the, the intro song going into the octagon too. I kind of saw the flash go by in his head of him like going out and just getting ready to roll <laugh>

 

30:04 Isaac Bock:

Hell of a hell of a start to your fighting career, going up against an eventual heavyweight champion that is a, that takes a unique set of skills to stand in there for two rounds with a guy like that, <affirmative>.

 

30:19 Eric Schneider:

No doubt, no doubt. And I think that passion and, and strength has been a, a key catalyst for silver therapeutics and, and so excited to see what they do in the next 12 months. And as always, appreciate you as my co-host ib.

 

30:35 Isaac Bock:

Me too. I appreciate you and looking forward to the next one.